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Abosrption - Pictures are worth a thousand words

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Ok to start off with this took a tiny bit of thinking, a bit of cash, ALOT of time and an INCREDIBLE amount of patience.....

Now there has been alot of debate over the topic of armor and absorption, well i decided to do some tests, most of which have probably been done before, but why not do it again with a bit of proof, so here goes.

For this test i purchased 4 sets of Droknars Forge Armor, 4 Helm's and 10 Major Absorption runes and some different dyes for easier identification:




Green Gladiators Armor (no runes)


Orange Ascalon Armor (no runes)


Red Gladiators Armor (all absorption runes)


Blue Ascalon Armor (all absorption runes)


Note: With the Gladiators Armor i opted for the Knights Helm cause i think it looks better, there is no armor difference between Knights Helm and Gladiators Helm.

Ok onto the tests themselves, for these tests i needed to find 2 different sources of consistant damage (as i do not trust average percentage results), one needed to be Elemental the other Melee.
Elemental was easy as there arent too many elemental skills that increase damage, so i chose Eruption (a skill used by Stone Fury's).
With Melee it was a little difficult to find a constant source of damage as most skills do +xx amount of damage and attacks from melee weapons are x-xx amount of damage (random), i eventually chose Distract Shot.

Here are the results from my tests, i have highlighted parts where i have used combinations of armor, but you can tell by the colour of the armor on the avatar in the inventory:

Gladiators Armor Elemental Damage







Ascalon Armor Elemental Damage






Ok thats Elemental Damage, what can we tell from this...
1. Ascalon Armor absorbs 2 Elemental damage per attack.
2. Absorption Runes do NOT absorb Elemental damage.
3. Ascalon Armor absorption is global on elemental damage.
4. Eruption doesnt only hit the feet (not so important, but some people believed it to be so).


Gladiators Armor Melee Damage






Ascalon Armor Melee Damage





And thats Melee Damage what can we tell from this.....
1. Ascalon Armor absorbs 2 Melee damage per attack.
2. Absorption runes DO absorb Melee damage.
3. Ascalon Armor and Absorption Runes DO stack.
4. Ascalon Armor is absorption is global on Melee.
5. Absorption Runes are global on Melee.
6. Rockshots are anoying (i think everyone knows that allready)


Ok to sum up everything:
Absorption runes absorb 2 melee damage and do nothing to elemental damage, Ascalon armor absorbs 2 melee and 2 elemental damage, Ascalon armors absorption is global, Absorption Runes are global and finally ascalon armor and absorption runes do infact stack.

On another note i did some other tests but rather than clog the whole page with a million more pics i will just write down what i tested and my results:

Question: Ascalon Armor, Knights Armor and Ascalon 15k Armor is there a difference in absorption ?

Answer: No.


Hope this test is of some use to people.

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  Xcalaber on 03/03/06 17:38

Great guide, Found it really helpfull. You should make a tax on reading this guide, must have cost you a lot of money.

  KaiSwiftblade on 03/03/06 17:39

Wow. Looks like a lot of work went into this guide, and probably more went into thinking of how to go about testing. I guess there's all the proof we need, Absorption is cool (and global). Can't thank you enough, Osmosisjones.

  mwpeck on 03/03/06 17:58

Hopefully this will clarify the truth to some people who A) Dont know any better, and think they are right about it not being global, etc. and B) Prove to the people who believe the guildwars site is right, even though it has been proven wrong, that the site is infact wrong about absorbtion.

  osmosisjones on 03/03/06 18:09

lol a tax on views sounds interesting, but this should be free to view, its helpful information that i did for my own knowledge and the community. there is a follow up i did a bit more work on testing holy damage and so forth, but i guess thats for another time.

  kcinshin on 03/03/06 18:19

Great guide! This is awesome.

But how come when you don't have a helm on Eruption does so much damage?

  I_M_A_P_I_R_A_T_E on 03/03/06 18:32

well if pictures are worth 1000 words then this guide must be worth about 24000 words! veery nice guide, thx for clearing up an doubts/questions about absorbtion runes.

  osmosisjones on 03/03/06 19:32

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Great guide! This is awesome. 

But how come when you don't have a helm on Eruption does so much damage?


that was with the eruption actually hitting my head, other times it hit for 5(Ascalon Armor) and 7(Glads Armor).
Its just a way of proving that eruption doesnt only hit the feet and that the damage wasnt roughly reduced due to armor in the other pictures (comparing the no helm ascalon and no helm glads).

Amazing!  tonork on 03/03/06 21:48
 
It's nice to see real love for gw. Great work and nice thinking for distraction shot ;). Should have cost you a realllllllllly big amount of money! I'm curious how much money you spent on this?

  mrguildboi on 03/03/06 23:18

whoawhoa, you can stack absorb runes?

  kyro27 on 03/03/06 23:36

hey osmosis while your at it why dont you buy me 10 sup vigors so i can do a test with sup vigor :-D

  Kar2uns on 03/04/06 00:11
 
Great work and +creds for the time, money and work

  osmosisjones on 03/04/06 01:38

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It's nice to see real love for gw. Great work and nice thinking for distraction shot ;). Should have cost you a realllllllllly big amount of money! I'm curious how much money you spent on this?

Thanks tonork, even though distracting shot is piercing damage it always deals a set amount no matter what your armor lvl is.
Money wise I really cant remember how much it costed, i farmed atleast half the runes, the armor was the main issue.

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whoawhoa, you can stack absorb runes?

no sorry mrguildboi, they dont stack, but i did add oneto each piece of armor as part of the test
A: to prove they dont stack
B: so people could see in one picture that it did or did not absorb damage globaly (in a particular picture it might have hit my head while I had absorption on my feet, having one on every piece made it so there was no doubt)

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hey osmosis while your at it why dont you buy me 10 sup vigors so i can do a test with sup vigor :-D

lol kryo27 ....... well ummmm lol ^_^

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Great work and +creds for the time, money and work

lol sorry Kar2uns cant give cred on a guide (i allready get 50 for submitting it)

Thanks for all the positive comments people, its great to get compliments for work.

  animalsecks on 03/04/06 02:06
 
so...one piece of ascalon (or knights) triggers the global abs of that armor, correct?

IE my ascalon boots + glads armor has the bonus of the ascalon armor

  osmosisjones on 03/04/06 03:11

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so...one piece of ascalon (or knights) triggers the global abs of that armor, correct? 

IE my ascalon boots + glads armor has the bonus of the ascalon armor


correct, you only need one piece of ascalon or knights armor for the damage reduction.

  Jaquar on 03/04/06 05:36

Nice one, hard facts to ground about a thousand wild theories. Congratulations on becoming a staff member too, I hope you will still have time to create such guides.

  wolfblade on 03/04/06 11:52

Very nice guide! So if ascalon absorbs physical + elemental and runes only physical what do they do to other unconditional damage like dark and light and empathy

  Pyyrus of Epyyrus on 03/04/06 12:03
 
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3. Ascalon Armor and Absorption Runes DO stack. 

So, u mean that the absorption from the armor and the runes will stack, but the thing i dont get, is do u mean they stack, as in, if u have3 pieces of knight, and 3 absorption runes, it will help more thanhaving 2 pieces of knight and 2 absorption runes? or in reality, do u only need 1 piece of knights/ascalo and one abs rune?

  osmosisjones on 03/04/06 12:17

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So, u mean that the absorption from the armor and the runes will stack, but the thing i dont get, is do u mean they stack, as in, if u have3 pieces of knight, and 3 absorption runes, it will help more thanhaving 2 pieces of knight and 2 absorption runes? or in reality, do u only need 1 piece of knights/ascalo and one abs rune?

sorry Pyyrus, I should have made that a little bit clearer, you can use absorption runes and Ascalon armor together to reduce damage, adding 2 or 3 absorption runes or 2 or 3 pieces of ascalon armor will not reduce more than just 1 rune or 1 ascalon armor.

  osmosisjones on 03/04/06 12:19

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Very nice guide! So if ascalon absorbs physical + elemental and runes only physical what do they do to other unconditional damage like dark and light and empathy


i did some further tests on these different types of damage (only one i didnt test was shadow damage) you can find the results on a thread i made here : Link

  chuiu on 03/04/06 14:48
 
Great job! This has been tested, known, and proved since june of last year!

  Krypper on 03/04/06 21:46

Hey, hey...be nice, chuiu.

Very good job on this. It's always been in the back of my head (hence my Knight's boots), but I'd never looked at anything that was solid proof in my eyes till now. Proofs with long paragraphs explaining hit percentages instead of absorbtion really dont help much.

  Veron on 03/05/06 00:16
 
Great job! I'm glad someone finally did this.

One thing that this still doesn't answer though. I've seen a lot of people saying that you can stack damage reduction from armor by having a piece of Ascalon armor and a piece of Knight's armor. (For example, wearing Ascalon Leggings and Knight's Boots.) This supposedly stacks the damage reduction from Ascalon on top of the damage reduction from Knight's.

  eponymous47 on 03/05/06 02:25
 
major major props man. great job, i've always wondered about this.

  wolfblade on 03/05/06 03:48

I heared somewhere that ascalon/knight armours that are pre-droks/grotto only absorb 1. It this true?:P

  osmosisjones on 03/05/06 05:03

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Great job! I'm glad someone finally did this. 

One thing that this still doesn't answer though. I've seen a lot of people saying that you can stack damage reduction from armor by having a piece of Ascalon armor and a piece of Knight's armor. (For example, wearing Ascalon Leggings and Knight's Boots.) This supposedly stacks the damage reduction from Ascalon on top of the damage reduction from Knight's.


great more tests......

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I heared somewhere that ascalon/knight armours that are pre-droks/grotto only absorb 1. It this true?:P


hmm even more tests....

oh well thnx for the compliments and i will get back to you with more results.

  Botchu on 03/05/06 11:23
 
BTW Distracting Shot isn't melee damage, it's piercing. Melee is from swords :P

Well good Guide. Now I gotta buy more 15k armor, I don't need full Ascalon....

  osmosisjones on 03/05/06 12:40

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BTW Distracting Shot isn't melee damage, it's piercing. Melee is from swords :P 

Well good Guide. Now I gotta buy more 15k armor, I don't need full Ascalon....


yeah i know, but i should have stated it as physical damage.. but if you read a couple of comments up i allready gave a reason for that.

  doublehelix on 03/06/06 08:59
 
A short re-cap for any who get this far and have any additional questions. Plus a little clarification on one or two issues.

1.5k Ascalon/Knight absorbs 2, not 1.

Absorption runes are global (one in your feet will reduce damage no matter where you are hit) and like all rules, they do no stack with other Absorption runes, be it 2 Superiors or 1 Superior and 1 Minor.

Ascalon/Knight armor bonus acts exactly the same as the Absorption runes in terms of being global and stacking. The rune and armor boni do stack.

Something not noted in the guide: 1 Absorption rune and 1 Ascalon/Knight piece are essential to any warrior's gear kit.

Ascalon and Knight armor boni do not stack with each other. The code for them is identical and function the same as runes.

Absorption rune bonus reduces damage from all weapon attacks. The only time that it is not applied is when the damage source is a spell.

I realize that it's not usually polite to link to other fansites, but I will link to a single post on another forum that I made, simply because typing it out again would be too much.

Damage Reduction From Armor Level This will give some insight into what armor is best to be used and where.

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