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I haven't touched Guild Wars in probably 4-6 months, but I still regularly visit this part of Amp.
But mostly, if I'm spending time in Amp, it's on the AmpWoW site.(no anti-wow comments please).
Why is that? Mostly the obvious, I don't play GW anymore. But there's another reason. A reason that makes AmpWoW so much more... ...interesting.
There is hardly any topic-locking or strict staffers. Now, not to diss the wonderful GW site Staffers, but I think that the anti-flame policy has gotten too tight for alot of necks.
I'm seeing words like 'Idiot', and 'Wrong' be addressed as 'against policy'. On a slow week, people start posting topics that have nothing to do with GW, and it's being locked.
What happened here?
Broken link? Why does that warrant a lock?
I understand the desire (better word than need) to keep this place clean for kids... ...but I don't agree.
True, back when I posted here frequently, I always supported the decisions of the staff. On a few topics, I did say, "I may not agree, but I do comply". And probably left a paragraph or two explaining why it's a good thing.
Well, here's why it's a bad thing to have the anti-flaming laws/locking topics/strictness:
It drives the good people away.
Rogue is the only still posting who's on the top 5 list. Looking through the rest of the list, there's very few people who are still posting. It'd be interesting to know if the newer community even knows more than 3 of the people on this list.
I'm not referring to the top credibility as a way of seeing who's the best or anything. "Credibility doesn't matter" as the saying goes.
I'm referring to it to make a point. What do you think people got cred for mostly back then? Arguments.
Someone makes a point disagreeing with someone else, and people responded with either negative cred or positive cred. Felt good to see that 10 pointer on the bottom.
What a dirty word, huh? Arguments. At least the usage of the word here seems unholy.
Back when the Rant and Rave section was available, there were tons of intelligent discussions happening. Someone would bring up a recent update GW had, and you'd get 8 differing and intelligent opinions on it. Someone posts an offensive rant? Everyone in the community would post a counterpoint and THEN a staffer would lock it, but only after supplying his/her opinion.
Sometimes I'd have 3-4 topics open at once, and keep em open all day just because I wanted to read what others had to say. Made for a very high-traffic site with lots to learn.
When the Rant and Rave section was deleted, I lost 300 some points. I'm sure others lost more. Back then, that was a fairly substantial loss, shows how much people were spending in that section.
Now? Intelligent discussions aren't allowed, and I'm betting that if it were reinstated, it wouldn't happen until at least GW2 came out. Someone posts something incorrect, ranting at Anet about something they don't understand? Locked immediately. No community input or discussion.
I hardly ever use the top 5 most recent posts anymore, I have go searching back to find the [locked] topics if I want to learn anything new or read anything interesting.
The word 'Favorite' seems to be a common word for post titles nowadays. Guess people are trying to think of ANYTHING to say without risking a lock or ban.
GW Amp seems to be in a state similar to Communist China. Censorship and an overzealous police force make for a rocky soil where nothing can grow.
This is an appeal to the people here at GW Amp, the staffers and the community. This place needs to change. Let the Off-topic discussion actually be a place for non-GW related topics. Don't lock topics because of one person calling another an 'idiot'. Don't punish people for having opinions, forcing them to think about restricting their speech instead of reinforcing it.
And I sincerely hope this topic doesn't get locked, but if it does, I'm sure this will be the last of the true discussion threads. And probably the last time I post here again.
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| 10/16/07 15:33 |
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Wyat_hawke
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Thank you, It's nice to see that I'm not alone on this matter.
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| 10/16/07 15:34 |
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Skittle Cody
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What happened here?
Broken link? Why does that warrant a lock? |
Because the admins have made a thread to post videos to stop the top 5 from crowding up.
Everything else I agree with you on. The WoW side of the forums is a LOT more lenient. But whatever.
EDIT: | QUOTE | | However most of the staffers do a good job on the site and I don't want to get into a discussion about staffers so I'll just stop now :) |
Most of the staffers do a very good job. I agree. I'll stop too.
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| 10/16/07 15:39 |
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Rap Man
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Sorry but I have to agree, I never see the video page on the top 5, if you do post a video in there then you won't get much discussion about it. Also some of the staffers seem a bit overzealous in there locking. If someone gets called an idiot when they are being an idiot then imo it's ok. However most of the staffers do a good job on the site and I don't want to get into a discussion about staffers so I'll just stop now :)
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| 10/16/07 15:51 |
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slye_boy
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ok...going to try and avoid getting banned...
I agree with you on pretty much everything you said there CS, i havn't personally been to the WoW side of AMP many times, so i cannot fully say that i agree.
The cut down on posts, the video thread and the test sig thread, are, i think, possibly good ideas. I do have to say though that atm, i agree that locking is getting a bit heavy, taking that linked topic as an example.
The video wasn't posted correctly, but still, i feel that it didn't need to be locked. I personlly would have used it to advertise the fact that there is a specific thread just for posting videos in and told the guy to post there in future, opposed to locking it and leaving it in a place where it would not be seen by people again unless they went serching for it.
I won't say any more, i feel CS has said way more than i could in less words, and i do want to say that i think that this should be a nice friendly forum...but even friends disagree sometimes, and then they talk about it and place thier opposing views t each other, they are still friends afterwards.
| QUOTE | | However most of the staffers do a good job on the site and I don't want to get into a discussion about staffers so I'll just stop now :) |
I just wanted to say i agree with Rap Man here :D
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| 10/16/07 15:54 |
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thaskippy
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i agree that the rules should be less strict when it comes to language, and off-topic posts.
but just take a look at wyat's post about political stuff, i mean some will find it interesting but i think most people here won't(or can't even understand it, because they don't speak english as their mother tongue, i mean i can speak/type english fairly well but i didn't understand most of his post).
so it won't really pull more good GW-players, but just more random-topic-guys and 1337-debaters...
plz clickzors, i need t3h viewz !
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| 10/16/07 15:57 |
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slye_boy
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-NM
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| 10/16/07 15:59 |
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Wyat_hawke
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I mentioned this in another thread (which got...locked), but I think another reason why the Off-topic section is blossoming is because the game is so old now aswell.
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With a game that's been passing over 2 years time of play, there is a certain restriction to how many times we can debate a topic again and again. Most serious ingame threads have now been battered to death, by the use of clever math, good arguments and a fine and polite tune. Look at the daily amount of posts made here on Amp, and notice how very few new threads with new subjects about GW that's been coming up lately. They are still there, but coming at a much slower pace. And what about the guides? We used to get a lot more of them before, now we get the occasional every week. It's just that Guild Wars as a subject is starting to run dry.
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For those thinking that the off-topic posting will come to a halt one day, and getting taken over by GW dedicated posts again, you are wrong. The older and older this game gets, the more and more will the off-topic blossom. Either the Off-Topic forum is shut down (and we will see a huge downfall in the amount of threads started per day), or it stays.
Notice how few posts lately that's been discussing build strategies in PvE? or in PvP? People are too fed up and too lazy to write anything new on the subject, because the game is not moving forward. I still love both PvE and PvP, but not because there is something entirely new to discover.
the Gameamp Forum needs to take a stand soon, or as Cswella says, most general posters will stop posting (or move over to the WoW forums). Just because GW isn't moving forward at the moment doesn't mean that GA can't
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| 10/16/07 16:11 |
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Rogue
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There are a few people here who seriously need a flame. I'm not even joking, it's so hard to get it through peoples heads that there are certain game mechanics that make something they're doing just useless. Their response "I play how I play, you play how you play" and then they get their feelings hurt because I don't agree that whatever they were doing in the first place is actually good. Seriously. I have to restrain my "You're an idiot" type rants after they ask for (especially) build advice and then reject everything I say. I'm all for freedom of choice, but if you're gonna ask for help you'd better be prepared to accept it.
Gah I'm ranting now.
Yeah, I'd love to see the anti-flaming rule burnt.
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| 10/16/07 16:11 |
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Tha Golden Warrior
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i really have to agree on that there is too much pressure here with all the rules and too strict acts...
come on,like somebody above me posted, i've seen some admin locking topics just because somebody called another person an idiot and on another one people were posting PVE and PVP opinions and because of only that the topic was locked?
thought this place supported PVP opinions too?
i've seen people complain about how amp has/is changing negatively, which leads to frustration and eventually people leaving, staff resigning etc..
can't you losen up? try to see everything a bit more easy :) first step ---> anti-flame not taken SO EXTREMELY serious by certain people...not saying any names but i guess u know who u are...
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| 10/16/07 16:17 |
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Brynden
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Good to hear from you again, CSwella. First off, I'd like to point out how much attention you've gotten from the people on the top cred list so far. A lot of us are still here, we just only reply in the interesting threads. Not gonna lie, most of the stuff on here nowadays is boring. I can't even believe how many posts there are for guild recruitments. I mean, come on, you have failed starting a guild how many times already? Just give up and join AMP. Anyway, I'm not so sure about 'burning' the anti-flame rule, because it does make for a friendlier forum. However, flames can be pretty hilarious to read. I've been reading the Halo 3 forums recently, and they don't have any kind of anti-flaming policy, heck they don't seem to even have any admins over there. I spent like an hour the other day reading a thread where every post was people tearing this one guy apart, and he just kept coming back and cursing everyone out again. It was awesome, I had a great time reading it.
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| 10/16/07 16:28 |
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rob223
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petition ftw?!
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| 10/16/07 16:29 |
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Chrisworld
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Yeah, might be a little Strict here....
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| 10/16/07 16:36 |
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Charlotte The Harlot
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I think I've said this like 5 times but you did it a bit more organized than me. It shouldn't be straight up F Us but topics getting locked for telling someone they're wrong/stupid is pretty dumb and dumbed down this site in general.
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| 10/16/07 16:37 |
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I very rarely, in two years, have actually used the full forums. Maybe 6 or 7 times, that's what attracts me so much to this site- the top 5 most recent threads.
I think that removing off-topic and guild recruitment threads from the top 5 would probably be a good movement for this site.
I also miss the old Gameamp, like many others and I hope for a better future for this site.
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| 10/16/07 16:43 |
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rob223
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IMO this society used to be of a fun nature and has become basically a dictatorship. we have to post this in this specfic thread and what not..
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| 10/16/07 16:44 |
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| QUOTE | It shouldn't be straight up F Us but topics getting locked for telling someone they're wrong/stupid is pretty dumb and dumbed down this site in general.
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Now? Intelligent discussions aren't allowed, and I'm betting that if it were reinstated, it wouldn't happen until at least GW2 came out. Someone posts something incorrect, ranting at Anet about something they don't understand? Locked immediately. No community input or discussion.
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FAIL, except that it's WIN you posted it.
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I lol'd irl.
| QUOTE | I also miss the old Gameamp, like many others and I hope for a better future for this site.
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The old AMP was actually pretty popular. Then the anti-flaming rule came into play and like half of the community disappeared. Honestly the turning point I see between old and new AMP was the anti-flaming rule and the removal of the rant and rave sections. The rant and rave sections were actually pretty dang good places to get information about the game even. Most of the mathematical arguments happened there.
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| 10/16/07 16:46 |
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I definitely agree with what you said. I would love to flame the hell outta some people who can't read what others have said. Some people are just so THICK that it gets so frustrating I feel like punching them. Even when I join in on a discussion I read over my post(usually long) to make sure I dont say tard, idiot, stupid, or anything that will offend a toddler so I won't get banned. I love this site, and it's fun to visit, but I've pretty much stopped coming here compared to before because it's so dumb to see a lot of good threads getting locked because of PETTY fights. It can be annoying beyond words, but I feel that CSwella said mostly everything :)
quit gw for good. end of story.
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| 10/16/07 16:57 |
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Ok I'm going to have to disagree with you. We still have good converstaions, most of them get locked because we have some very imature person post something really stupid and that just gets people going crazy. The staff is really good at stoping stuff before anything stupid happens. Some people do not look and post something like a video, if they would just look they would see that we already have somewhere where thay can put their video. All they have to do is look first.The reason they are cutting down on the language is becuase there are some kids that look at this forum and I personally would not want my kid to be learning words from a forum.... They are more lenient on the WoW site but I still prefer this one over WoW. I am also glad of the no flaming.. I just hate when some immature kid says something before actually thinking about what they said and having it sound so stupid, that is waht gets me frusterated. All forums need to have some sort of maturity level, the Gw side of amp has a more strict one which I have come to like. I have been to the WoW side of amp. I personally found it mind nubming to the extreme. No, offense or anything. You just stated you opion and I respect it in all, but there where some facts that you did not devel into before posting. Try to next time you post.
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| 10/16/07 16:58 |
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| QUOTE | | We still have good converstaions, most of them get locked because we have some very imature person post something really stupid and that just gets people going crazy. |
Jello.
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No really, look at the paragon thread. Someone got called an idiot, but the callee probably has never played a team with two blockagons in GvG, where the game is balanced from. Most PvPers play PvE from time to time, most PvErs try out PvP and then think they understand the game after winning a few matches in RA or AB with a gimpy build. End result: Thread locked. Result for me: Ohhhh one more halfway interesting thread down the tube. Seriously, that was the most interesting thread we've had in like a month.
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| 10/16/07 17:03 |
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i think that there are many factors that contribute to the position gw amp is in at the moment. there have been times where i have not posted what i have wanted to say not because it was a full fledged flame but because it could be considered borderline and i would rather not risk losing my account over it.
ever since the removal of the rant and rave section (a place where you could expect harsh criticism/flames) i have seen this site decline IMO. the only posts i ever see now from normal members (not super members like Rogue and The Golden Warrior) are ohh lol or i agree with you lets all hug and be friends. after a while it gets quite sickening.
the anti flaming policy was started with good intentions but i think it has fostered unforeseen and unwanted consequences. most topics here are lacking in a diversity of opinions because most people are afraid or just to damn lazy to post them. the topics that do have a great debate going (anet's para plan for instance) always get locked because one idiot flames somebody else. all the debate is lost and people get discouraged. what is the point in posting if you are never going to get reply's because the topic has been locked?
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| 10/16/07 17:04 |
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