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thejeni
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After reading this thread, I realized we need to take a stronger stand against flaming on this site. This community used to be one of the best on Gameamp. The members were wonderful, helpful, and never felt the need to flame.
Somewhere along the line this changed. I don't know what caused this change, but it is going to change back.
We are now making a zero tolerance policy on flaming. You flame someone, you get your ip address banned and your account deactivated. No "warning" PM's will be sent out for this. You will no longer be given a "slap on the wrist" and told not to do it again. You will simply be banned.
If you have any questions about this, please feel free to ask. I want to make sure everyone understands, because this is your only warning.
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| 08/25/06 10:44 |
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Tor Den Mektige
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bump :) and I agree with it. I think it will be important on certain posts that might be interpreted either way to maby handle it a bit more delicately, but on the average "Flame" post, I agree completely with the new policy. Hope you understand what I mean with "Interpreted either way" ... I know I have some times accidently maby come across a lot harsher than I intended, and upon re-reading it, I come to the conclusion that I should have handled it differently, and I always apologize. I think it is important to adress the problem as you are doing, but I think there also needs to be some room for mistakes. We are all human, even the admins and moderators are humans and could accidently interpret somthing wrong. I know I dont always have the time to invest into proofing every post I do, but I completely agree with the issue at hand. :) you have my support. I miss the good old days where gameamp was filled with solid threads and such ... then the PC days came and filled it with auction spams etc, and now this. We need to do somthing to pull it back to where it was!
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| 08/25/06 10:51 |
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livingdeadgirl
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gj hopefully we will go bak to the community we once was :)
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| 08/25/06 10:52 |
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lupennerkvein
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Just a quick question which of these would be considered flaming?
1. Saying someones post/screenies/guide is pointless
2. Calling someone a noob or saying there running a scam if it appears to be so
3. PMING someone who is continually putting stupid things up to tell them to stop doing it
etc
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| 08/25/06 10:53 |
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Kanna
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I fully agree and understand Jeni. That thread did get rather nasty, and things that was said wasn't called for. There has been alot of "flames" going around here lately It really isn't like it once was. I agree with the new policy. I hope it takes this place back to the good days. :)
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| 08/25/06 10:55 |
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Tor Den Mektige
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| QUOTE | Just a quick question which of these would be considered flaming?
1. Saying someones post/screenies/guide is pointless
2. Calling someone a noob or saying there running a scam if it appears to be so
3. PMING someone who is continually putting stupid things up to tell them to stop doing it
etc |
a flame is usually easy to detect. There are always nice ways of saying somthing was pointless, but to say "Your dumb, what is the use of this, this is a waste of bandwidth" .. thats uncalled for. Flaming is an issue of Respect and Curtesy to eachother. This is what makes a community stand OUT from the others :)
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| 08/25/06 10:55 |
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thejeni
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| QUOTE | Just a quick question which of these would be considered flaming?
1. Saying someones post/screenies/guide is pointless
2. Calling someone a noob or saying there running a scam if it appears to be so
3. PMING someone who is continually putting stupid things up to tell them to stop doing it
etc |
1. Yes, that is flaming.
2. Calling someone any kind of name is flaming. Pointed out that they are running a scam is not.
3. PM'ing doesn't really apply unless you are harassing the person. And we don't allow harassment. But if you want to PM someone that's your business. Just keep in mind if the staff receive a complaint, it will be investigated.
Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting.
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| 08/25/06 10:57 |
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Awesome! I too have noticed a change over the months... it seems lately people have a lot fewer nice things to say compared to constructive, supportive things. This is still my first choice for help and I think this will keep it that way.
Thanks!
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| 08/25/06 10:59 |
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IamHighVoltage
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I can understand your frustration as I have been getting tired of reading all the negativity. Negativity only breeds more negativity.
I joined Amp because it was a friendly mature site that was very helpful to each other. Over the last couple months few posts escape unflamed. Also I have noticed that many of those truly helpful people dont post much anymore. I hope this new policy will help bring them back.
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| 08/25/06 11:02 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Just a quick question which of these would be considered flaming?
1. Saying someones post/screenies/guide is pointless
2. Calling someone a noob or saying there running a scam if it appears to be so
3. PMING someone who is continually putting stupid things up to tell them to stop doing it
etc |
1. Yes, that is flaming.
2. Calling someone any kind of name is flaming. Pointed out that they are running a scam is not.
3. PM'ing doesn't really apply unless you are harassing the person. And we don't allow harassment. But if you want to PM someone that's your business. Just keep in mind if the staff receive a complaint, it will be investigated.
Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. |
1. What if it has been up like 20 times already?
2. Sometimes it can be a joke. I call my mates noobs and other things all the time. Its a laugh.
3. :o Theyre not really private!!!!!! (j/k)
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| 08/25/06 11:02 |
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I agree, but then you have to hold the same for people who start threads which provoke flame. You have to ban them, without warning or PMs. If you notice, most of the flaming in threads are in threads where the topic starter set himself up for a flame, or posted a topic on a touchy subject that would definatley provoke flames.
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| 08/25/06 11:04 |
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just 3 words to say: I agree completely
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| 08/25/06 11:05 |
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thejeni
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| QUOTE |
1. What if it has been up like 20 times already?
2. Sometimes it can be a joke. I call my mates noobs and other things all the time. Its a laugh.
3. :o Theyre not really private!!!!!! (j/k) |
1. I don't care how many times it has been up. Insulting people for any reason is not acceptable.
2. Calling your mates noobs in game is one thing. There is no need to do that here. And the staff have a pretty good idea when someone is "joking" and when someone is just being rude.
3. Nothing is really private. Our "Powers that Be" have the ability to check every aspect of the site.
Is being respectful of people really that hard?
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| 08/25/06 11:05 |
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lupennerkvein
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this seems like a good idea then
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| 08/25/06 11:06 |
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thejeni
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| QUOTE | | I agree, but then you have to hold the same for people who start threads which provoke flame. You have to ban them, without warning or PMs. If you notice, most of the flaming in threads are in threads where the topic starter set himself up for a flame, or posted a topic on a touchy subject that would definatley provoke flames. |
Any topic should be able to be discussed with out flaming. There never used to be this problem on this site. If you feel that you can only flame someone in response to their post, DON'T POST.
All I'm wanting here is for you guys to show respect.
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| 08/25/06 11:07 |
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srry for double post:
I'm rlly sorry to say, but most of the flamers are all new ampers. I don't mean to offend anyone, but 1-2 motnhs ago there weren't any flamers...Sure there are still alot good guys between the new ones. Again, no offense...
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| 08/25/06 11:07 |
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I just finished reading the post that jeni referred to, and wow........I'm speechless. I haven't been a member for a long time, but I chose to join these forums after reading many posts and guides and the members seem genuine; and most are and thanx to those who have helped me. I TOTALLY agree with this new policy. Sarcasam is one thing, but as in all of life, there is a line. And some of those replies made it to the Andromeda Galaxy.
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| 08/25/06 11:08 |
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Tor Den Mektige
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| QUOTE | srry for double post:
I'm rlly sorry to say, but most of the flamers are all new ampers. I don't mean to offend anyone, but 1-2 motnhs ago there weren't any flamers...Sure there are still alot good guys between the new ones. Again, no offense... |
once again :) agreed!
well, im heading out for the weekend, and I feel more than confident in trusting Jeni with a good solution for this! Just hope you took some time to think of my concerns I mentioned :) cheerios!
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| 08/25/06 11:09 |
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TheBeano
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thejeni FTW!
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| 08/25/06 11:10 |
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thejeni
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Quoted from this.
| QUOTE | Yes, it is a Rant and Rave board. If you want to rant and rave about something, be prepared to have people Rant and Rave right back at you. Also, people have to use more common sense. Rant and Rave about something like going to HA and not getting a group because you need rank, or that there are no monks in THK or they are charging for their services. You want be flamed if you rant about that stuff. But when you post a topic where you flat out say I was scammed because I gave out my account information even though I know I should, we will get flaming responses from people whos minds are just going to explode from the complete idiocy of what you just did....
This is a world wide community, and there are 1,247,846,658,575,547,149 different opinions about everything. If you don't want to be flamed or hear how stupid you are, rethink what your about to post and if you have any doubt in your mind that you will be flamed for it, dont post it to begin with. |
Actually I disagree. I've never flamed anyone online. I've been a forum junkie for over 6 years, and have never felt the need to flame someone. Oh I've disagreed with people, and I know there are idiots out there. But there is no need to flame. If you feel you must flame someone, Gameamp is not the place for you to be posting.
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| 08/25/06 11:17 |
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Whew, as much as I like the idea of cracking down on people that flame others, I think this may be a bit too harsh.
I think warnings would be better, and account suspensions instead of bans. I know its more work for the moderators, but I just have to belive that people can change with a bit of guidance, so some warnings would work better.
Maybe if you could even give them a more severe negative credit, and if their cred. ever gets in the negative (because of flames) then you can ban them. It gives people a cushion and like someone mentioned, usually the flamers are newer to amp and dont have a lot of cred.
Just my opinion, but I do think that actively detering flamers is a step in the right direction.
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| 08/25/06 11:17 |
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thejeni
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| QUOTE | Whew, as much as I like the idea of cracking down on people that flame others, I think this may be a bit too harsh.
I think warnings would be better, and account suspensions instead of bans. I know its more work for the moderators, but I just have to belive that people can change with a bit of guidance, so some warnings would work better.
Maybe if you could even give them a more severe negative credit, and if their cred. ever gets in the negative (because of flames) then you can ban them. It gives people a cushion and like someone mentioned, usually the flamers are newer to amp and dont have a lot of cred.
Just my opinion, but I do think that actively detering flamers is a step in the right direction. |
I wish there was another option. We had been giving warnings. We had been been trying to work with our members. But we have over 20,000 unique visitors to the GW site a day. The only way we are going to get this to stop is to get rid of the people who flame. I'm sick of giving people second chances at this point. We tried that, it isn't working. So now I'm doing something I know works.
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| 08/25/06 11:22 |
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