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(Update – Tuesday, May 23, 2006 - GuildWiki.)
| QUOTE | Update – Tuesday, May 23, 2006
* Fixed a bug that caused certain towns and outposts to experience heavy lag.
* Fixed a bug that prevented some players who did not have access to the Prophecies campaign from entering Fissure of Woe and The Underworld.
* Fixed a crash bug in The Deep.
* Fixed bugs and made improvements to the following quests: A Meeting With the Emperor, To Tahnnakai Temple, Luxon Supply Lines, and The Shadow Blades.
* Changed the compositions of enemy groups in the Duel of the Houses quest.
* Updated the merchants in Raisu Palace and Imperial Sanctum so that they now sell Forbidden Keys instead of Canthan Keys.
* Updated the merchant in Zin Ku Corridor so that he now sells Phantom Keys and Obsidian Keys.
* Added a name for the merchant in Tahnnakai Temple.
* Improved the spam filter.
* Updated Korean translations.
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GuildWiki Notes
* If WTB or WTS (case insensitive) is typed in the Local Channel in the Chat window, the text is automatically put into the appropriate Trade Channel. These words can occur anywhere inside the message, but must be an isolated word (ignoring punctuation characters). The following are some illustrative examples:
o "gold 20/20 pan galactic gargleblaster wts" (redirected)
o "Awtsome interrupt, dude!" (not redirected)
o "W T B ecto" (not redirected)
o "::WTS:: dargon menipet" (redirected)
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Interesting, it does indeed appear to work:
Above messages were all entered in the "Local" chat.
There's a minor error though in this information though.
| QUOTE | | but must be an isolated word (ignoring punctuation characters). |
Ignoring punctuation characters only if they are outside of the key word, as the above screenshot displays.
So, what do you think this will cause?
Either more disturbing "artwork" inside these trade messages like "W<*>T<*>S my stuff!" or just new abbreviations?
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| 05/24/06 04:45 |
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The Sister
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Well, at least it's a start. For the fisrt couple of days the spammers will get fooled.
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| 05/24/06 05:00 |
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Ooooo, lovely, nice find mate :)
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| 05/24/06 06:09 |
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Julia Heartilly
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I don't quite like it too much myself.
It appears to me as rather pointless since people will simply phrase their spam in any way to get around this system which might not only make their spam even more annoying as they might start using all sorts of crappy characters to "decorate" their messages, but it will also render the system useless to a certain extend and with that make the time ANet took to implement it be wasted.
However, I could be wrong (although I doubt that), time will tell...
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| 05/24/06 06:28 |
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Yeah, I think it's a temporary fix to a more permanent issue.
Like I've said before, the most effective way to sell something is to make sure as many people as possible know about it. It's called advertising. They do something like that, and it's only a matter of time (hours, or maybe even minutes) before they've come up with some new appreviation or some creative character mapped way of saying WTS and WTB. Or how about this?
\/\/75 \/\/78 - I bet that isn't filtered...
Or even easier, just say "selling" or "buying". Seriously, they should have spent their time on something more worthwhile, like a player matching system, or fixing the other issues than wasting their time doing something that's gonna be circumvented within the first few hours it's put in place.
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| 05/24/06 06:50 |
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The thing I don't understand is, why is it such a pain to post your WTS/B thingies in the trade channel anyway?
Some people have a thing against those who advertise items in the public and refuse to buy stuff from those so the sellers aren't doing much of a profit by selling in public channel?
EDIT: the good ol' typos.
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| 05/24/06 06:53 |
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| QUOTE | Yeah, I think it's a temporary fix to a more permanent issue.
Like I've said before, the most effective way to sell something is to make sure as many people as possible know about it. It's called advertising. They do something like that, and it's only a matter of time (hours, or maybe even minutes) before they've come up with some new appreviation or some creative character mapped way of saying WTS and WTB. Or how about this?
//75 //78 - I bet that isn't filtered...
Or even easier, just say "selling" or "buying". Seriously, they should have spent their time on something more worthwhile, like a player matching system, or fixing the other issues than wasting their time doing something that's gonna be circumvented within the first few hours it's put in place. |
That was exactly my point. ^^
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| 05/24/06 06:56 |
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I think any improvement to implement the things people are asking for in game - is a great move from ANet.
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| 05/24/06 07:04 |
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| QUOTE | The thing I don't understand is, why is it such a pain to post your WTS/B thingies in the trade channel anyway?
Some people have a thing against those who advertise items in the public and refuse to buy stuff from those so the sellers aren't doing much of a profit by selling in public channel? |
You get more exposure on the local channel, as people are more likely to have turned the trade channel off.
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| 05/24/06 07:04 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | The thing I don't understand is, why is it such a pain to post your WTS/B thingies in the trade channel anyway?
Some people have a thing against those who advertise items in the public and refuse to buy stuff from those so the sellers aren't doing much of a profit by selling in public channel? |
You get more exposure on the local channel, as people are more likely to have turned the trade channel off. |
Oh, I see. I've never thought of that! :D
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| 05/24/06 07:05 |
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| QUOTE | | You get more exposure on the local channel, as people are more likely to have turned the trade channel off. |
And that's the very reason I now also have local turned off... If I need a group, I turn the local one on... but in towns like Kaineng and LA... unless I'm looking or selling - they're always off.
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| 05/24/06 10:17 |
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won't affect me anyway... i always use the trade channel for trading 'cause it annoys me when people use the local chat.
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| 05/24/06 10:24 |
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bear in mind, if this works like other filters ive seen/worked with, it wont be hard to keep up with the trends.
to date seems most use WTB/WTS .. so thats where you start. if the traders adjust to selling/buying or W T B/W T S .. then the filter will adjust easily as well barring something unusual
i applaud the effort on this one and pray they do keep it up to date with ingame slang usage to keep this in the trade channel
give em credit guys, they are listening and are trying.. some things are just faster/easier to fix than others, priority or not
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| 05/24/06 10:52 |
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| QUOTE | bear in mind, if this works like other filters ive seen/worked with, it wont be hard to keep up with the trends.
to date seems most use WTB/WTS .. so thats where you start. if the traders adjust to selling/buying or W T B/W T S .. then the filter will adjust easily as well barring something unusual
i applaud the effort on this one and pray they do keep it up to date with ingame slang usage to keep this in the trade channel
give em credit guys, they are listening and are trying.. some things are just faster/easier to fix than others, priority or not |
This is not fast or easy to fix, this cannot be fixed.
You say the filter can be changed to block new trends, indeed but new trends will keep coming and unfortunately there ANet is greatly outnumbered by the masses of people using their creativity in order to get rid of their junk.
Basically what you say here will result in ANet constantly running after the facts and trying to fix what new methods people come up with which will consume 1000% (this is not a typo) of their time.
They would need a seperate team for this kind of thing, this is not something they can fix with a simple filter in a game with no monthly fees.
Imho it is entirely useless.
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| 05/24/06 11:08 |
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you are perhaps correct, but still, im glad they made the effort at least to this point. it sends the right message. long term effectiveness may well be nothing, but perhaps the point will be made
maybe if this was something added in client side so that we could create our own filters it would be more effective
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| 05/24/06 11:20 |
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I think this has less to do with actually trying to stop the spammers (although it does make it so there is more work for them) than with actually trying to win back the trust of their customers. I mean Factions was a big dissapointment in alot of people's eyes and alot of people dont look to ANet like they used to after some of the actions that they took..there are also alot of rumors flying about after all the botters and the tourney's and ANet does have to work to regain the favor of it's players or there wont be a chapter 4.
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| 05/24/06 11:27 |
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I agree with Julia, I think that this kind of thing was a complete waste of time.
What they should have done instead of this was implement an auction house. That would kill 3/4 of the spam instantly. Instead of implementing a filter that could be circumvented.
An auction house, reconnet option or enlarged storage would greatly increase Anet's popularity.
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| 05/24/06 17:50 |
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| QUOTE | | What they should have done instead of this was implement an auction house. That would kill 3/4 of the spam instantly. Instead of implementing a filter that could be circumvented. |
Would it? I've been thinking... If you go to LA Am and Int 1, Droks Am 1 and Int 1, Ascalon Am and Int 1, you'll see that there is so much spam that it would require alot of work to create a well working auction house. It would require new graphics and a new trade feature. If we had a place where people can just spam WTB or WTS then there would be districts so full of trade spam that noone would ever be there. They would just do the same thing in the public channels and go to the auction house to trade..
ANet would have to redo the entire trade system in order to implement an auction house.
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| 05/24/06 17:59 |
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| QUOTE | | ANet would have to redo the entire trade system in order to implement an auction house. |
Well duh... that is exactly why they shouldn't waste time working on silly filters that will cause people to place one extra period ("W.TS") but use that time to get started on the auction house instead.
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| 05/24/06 18:03 |
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I'm on the fence in this case. Yes, it was basically just a waste of time. Yes, it will be circumvented within a couple of seconds by people who actually want to trade in allchat. But at the same time, its a start. Honestly, it just shows that ANet is trying to do something about all the spam and such that go around.
Incidentally, I'm all for an ingame auction house system with categories and filters so you can find what you want without sifting through a billion worthless pieces of junk. For instance, I'm looking for a max-damage Fellblade with a requirement of 9 or better and +14% or +15% damage while in stance for under 100k gold. I go to the auction NPC in a town, input those criteria, and if anything matches them, I can see that and buy it. Just have dropdown menus that would help with this, organize things automatically (so the actual items' stats would be what would determine what would be shown instead of what the player inputted; this would prevent people from advertising 1-3 damage Cleavers as max-damage 15^50 Serpent Axes or the like), and then have people able to put things up for sale there and leave it.
So... Yeah. Redirection is good, but not enough.
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| 05/24/06 18:05 |
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Whats the big deal about having WTS/WTB/WTT in local chat? It doesn't bother me at all. If you need a group go to dist 6 or 7 there aren't as many guys there selling suff. You need to talk abotu soem rendo msubject? Talk here or in a chatroom. You just get bothered by all the spam? Turn off local chat(I usually turn of all chat while in town anyway)
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| 05/24/06 18:06 |
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I'm just supprised that GW gets this much attention to detail on a game that isn't a pay by month.
They just came out with Auto Assault - pay by month
City of Villians - pay by month
I like the update
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| 05/24/06 18:08 |
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| QUOTE | Well duh... that is exactly why they shouldn't waste time working on silly filters that will cause people to place one extra period ("W.TS") but use that time to get started on the auction house instead.
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I've been thinking that maybe its not that they dont want to..maybe they cant. Maybe the trade program is so rooted in the code of the game that they wouldnt be able to remove it through a simple patch. It might require them to turn off the servers for a day or something along those lines.
Remember what happened when they had server difficulties for 24 hours? people were screaming that they would switch to WoW. Imagine if they had to do it for a period of days..
Maybe its just that it would require too much work so they cant get it in without hundreds of files..so they are waiting for chapter 3.
Or maybe they are working on it right now (wishful thinking) and this is just a step to appease some people in the meantime.
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| 05/24/06 18:12 |
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| QUOTE | | I'm just supprised that GW gets this much attention to detail on a game that isn't a pay by month. |
That doesn't mean Anet can sit back and just let problems "solve themselves".
Since Factions, they have a lot of work to do, Factions was a disappointment for many but - regardless of whether or not you like the overall game - it is loaded with bugs.
This makes it so that everyone has at least something that they can base a negative opinion on, some more than others.
For once this went okay, people will givei t another chance and wait for |
